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Aang was the only avatar who could save the world

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    dissapearing

    [1]Aug 23, 2008
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    think about it. all the other avatars tried to kill whoever was trying to take over the world. Aang however doesn't kill firelord roku (or whatever his name was) that was trying to take over the world, instead he took away his bending and because of that the world could finally live in peace.
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    dissapearing wrote:
    think about it. all the other avatars tried to kill whoever was trying to take over the world. Aang however doesn't kill firelord roku (or whatever his name was) that was trying to take over the world, instead he took away his bending and because of that the world could finally live in peace.

    I he had kill em it would have had the same effect

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    [3]Aug 23, 2008
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    This applies to much more than just the Avatars - Aang was the only person who couldhave saved the world. If anyone else - Iroh or the OWL, the rest of the gaang, etc, had dpne the job it wouldn't have worked out. People would have seen it as just one more death in an endless war. Aang however, was the only person who could finish the war on the right terms. Peaceful terms.
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    dissapearing wrote:
    think about it. all the other avatars tried to kill whoever was trying to take over the world. Aang however doesn't kill firelord roku (or whatever his name was) that was trying to take over the world, instead he took away his bending and because of that the world could finally live in peace.

    his name is ozai genius
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    [5]Aug 23, 2008
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    Breaker94 wrote:
    dissapearing wrote:
    think about it. all the other avatars tried to kill whoever was trying to take over the world. Aang however doesn't kill firelord roku (or whatever his name was) that was trying to take over the world, instead he took away his bending and because of that the world could finally live in peace.

    his name is ozai genius


    lol it was only mentioned like 5 times...OZAII!!!!
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    [6]Aug 23, 2008
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    Death_Bro wrote:

    dissapearing wrote:
    think about it. all the other avatars tried to kill whoever was trying to take over the world. Aang however doesn't kill firelord roku (or whatever his name was) that was trying to take over the world, instead he took away his bending and because of that the world could finally live in peace.

    I he had kill em it would have had the same effect


    No, it wouldn't. The world would continue to live in violence. By ending things on peaceful terms Aang set an example for generations to come and managed to avoid creating hard feelings from Ozai supporters and other people from the Fire Nation.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Death_Bro wrote:

    dissapearing wrote:
    think about it. all the other avatars tried to kill whoever was trying to take over the world. Aang however doesn't kill firelord roku (or whatever his name was) that was trying to take over the world, instead he took away his bending and because of that the world could finally live in peace.

    I he had kill em it would have had the same effect


    No, it wouldn't. The world would continue to live in violence. By ending things on peaceful terms Aang set an example for generations to come and managed to avoid creating hard feelings from Ozai supporters and other people from the Fire Nation.


    good theory. actually, i was against this at first, but you have changed my mind once more. you're just on a roll, an irritating roll, but a roll nevertheless.
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    isabelwhatx

    [8]Aug 23, 2008
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    Ahahaha. VICTORY!
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Ahahaha. VICTORY!


    on topic, each avatar had their own respective accomplishments and defeats. end of story, end of thread...or not.
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    isabelwhatx

    [10]Aug 23, 2008
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    Well, it was kind of implied that Aang's resistance to violence and his solution the world would help prevent war for a very long time. Technically the previous Avatars didn't save the world, they just postponed the war. Aang ended the war. At least, as I said, it was implied.
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    Jackson5050

    [11]Aug 23, 2008
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    This is a moot topic. Had it been an Avatar aside from Aang, the world would not have progressed into that state.
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    [12]Aug 23, 2008
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    Avatar Roku spared Firelord Sozin, and look what that got the world into.

    Chin the Conqueror died against Kyoshi, albeit accidentally, and an era of peace started.

    Judging from this past failure and past success, the Avatars were quite well-founded in recommending that Aang kill Fire Lord Ozai.

    What would have happened if Aang had killed Ozai? No, the world would not have stayed in violence- Iroh stated as much. Axrendale, yes, Iroh said if he himself had killed Ozai, then the world would view it as more senseless violence, "a brother killng a brother to seize power". But that didn't mean the Avatar couldn't do the deed. Really, the pros and cons more heavily favor what would have happened if Ozai had died rather than been killed.

    Killing Ozai

    Pros:
    No more threat from Ozai in combat.
    The Fire Nation is no longer lead by Ozai.
    Ozai cannot return.

    Cons:
    People will be angry about the slaying of their leader.

    Stripping Ozai's power and locking him up.

    Pros:
    No more threat from Ozai in combat.
    The Fire Nation is no longer led by Ozai.

    Cons:
    People will be angry about the imprisonment of their leader.
    People will pity with him- he's the only person in recorded history to lose his bending.
    Ozai will be able to return, organize, and lead forces.

    As you can see, killing him had all the pros of locking him up, but less cons. Letting him live was an acceptable option. But that neither means it was the only acceptable option, nor the best option.
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    dissapearing wrote:
    think about it. all the other avatars tried to kill whoever was trying to take over the world. Aang however doesn't kill firelord roku (or whatever his name was) that was trying to take over the world, instead he took away his bending and because of that the world could finally live in peace.

    fire lord roku hahaha. Zuko and Roku sound the same but ozai doesnt
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    [14]Aug 23, 2008
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    MasterBender wrote:
    Avatar Roku spared Firelord Sozin, and look what that got the world into. Chin the Conqueror died against Kyoshi, albeit accidentally, and an era of peace started. Judging from this past failure and past success, the Avatars were quite well-founded in recommending that Aang kill Fire Lord Ozai. What would have happened if Aang had killed Ozai? No, the world would not have stayed in violence- Iroh stated as much. Axrendale, yes, Iroh said if he himself had killed Ozai, then the world would view it as more senseless violence, "a brother killng a brother to seize power". But that didn't mean the Avatar couldn't do the deed. Really, the pros and cons more heavily favor what would have happened if Ozai had died rather than been killed. Killing Ozai Pros: No more threat from Ozai in combat. The Fire Nation is no longer lead by Ozai. Ozai cannot return. Cons: People will be angry about the slaying of their leader. Stripping Ozai's power and locking him up. Pros: No more threat from Ozai in combat. The Fire Nation is no longer led by Ozai. Cons: People will be angry about the imprisonment of their leader. People will pity with him- he's the only person in recorded history to lose his bending. Ozai will be able to return, organize, and lead forces. As you can see, killing him had all the pros of locking him up, but less cons. Letting him live was an acceptable option. But that neither means it was the only acceptable option, nor the best option.

    I really don't think that anybody is going to pity Ozai. Once people see through all the propeganda, he;s going to become pretty much the most reviled man in the world.

    Ozai is a broken man. All his drive, all his will, went out with his firebending. If he somehow breaks out, it is unlikely that he will be able to do any major damage. So that deals with most of the "cons". The fact is that sparing Ozai was one of the cruicial points for Aang. It shows exactly why Aang is the person who can dispense this kind of justice.

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    Axrendale wrote:

    MasterBender wrote:
    Avatar Roku spared Firelord Sozin, and look what that got the world into. Chin the Conqueror died against Kyoshi, albeit accidentally, and an era of peace started. Judging from this past failure and past success, the Avatars were quite well-founded in recommending that Aang kill Fire Lord Ozai. What would have happened if Aang had killed Ozai? No, the world would not have stayed in violence- Iroh stated as much. Axrendale, yes, Iroh said if he himself had killed Ozai, then the world would view it as more senseless violence, "a brother killng a brother to seize power". But that didn't mean the Avatar couldn't do the deed. Really, the pros and cons more heavily favor what would have happened if Ozai had died rather than been killed. Killing Ozai Pros: No more threat from Ozai in combat. The Fire Nation is no longer lead by Ozai. Ozai cannot return. Cons: People will be angry about the slaying of their leader. Stripping Ozai's power and locking him up. Pros: No more threat from Ozai in combat. The Fire Nation is no longer led by Ozai. Cons: People will be angry about the imprisonment of their leader. People will pity with him- he's the only person in recorded history to lose his bending. Ozai will be able to return, organize, and lead forces. As you can see, killing him had all the pros of locking him up, but less cons. Letting him live was an acceptable option. But that neither means it was the only acceptable option, nor the best option.

    I really don't think that anybody is going to pity Ozai. Once people see through all the propeganda, he;s going to become pretty much the most reviled man in the world.

    Ozai is a broken man. All his drive, all his will, went out with his firebending. If he somehow breaks out, it is unlikely that he will be able to do any major damage. So that deals with most of the "cons". The fact is that sparing Ozai was one of the cruicial points for Aang. It shows exactly why Aang is the person who can dispense this kind of justice.



    yeah. ozaii was defeated through his bending. however azula, now, she is a different story. she could easily return to better power, challenging Fire Lord Zuko and stand a fighting chance.
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    libraman_92 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    MasterBender wrote:
    Avatar Roku spared Firelord Sozin, and look what that got the world into. Chin the Conqueror died against Kyoshi, albeit accidentally, and an era of peace started. Judging from this past failure and past success, the Avatars were quite well-founded in recommending that Aang kill Fire Lord Ozai. What would have happened if Aang had killed Ozai? No, the world would not have stayed in violence- Iroh stated as much. Axrendale, yes, Iroh said if he himself had killed Ozai, then the world would view it as more senseless violence, "a brother killng a brother to seize power". But that didn't mean the Avatar couldn't do the deed. Really, the pros and cons more heavily favor what would have happened if Ozai had died rather than been killed. Killing Ozai Pros: No more threat from Ozai in combat. The Fire Nation is no longer lead by Ozai. Ozai cannot return. Cons: People will be angry about the slaying of their leader. Stripping Ozai's power and locking him up. Pros: No more threat from Ozai in combat. The Fire Nation is no longer led by Ozai. Cons: People will be angry about the imprisonment of their leader. People will pity with him- he's the only person in recorded history to lose his bending. Ozai will be able to return, organize, and lead forces. As you can see, killing him had all the pros of locking him up, but less cons. Letting him live was an acceptable option. But that neither means it was the only acceptable option, nor the best option.

    I really don't think that anybody is going to pity Ozai. Once people see through all the propeganda, he;s going to become pretty much the most reviled man in the world.

    Ozai is a broken man. All his drive, all his will, went out with his firebending. If he somehow breaks out, it is unlikely that he will be able to do any major damage. So that deals with most of the "cons". The fact is that sparing Ozai was one of the cruicial points for Aang. It shows exactly why Aang is the person who can dispense this kind of justice.

    yeah. ozaii was defeated through his bending. however azula, now, she is a different story. she could easily return to better power, challenging Fire Lord Zuko and stand a fighting chance.

    But the finale made a point of establishing that Azula may well have some good inside of her. Bryke themselves have said that they believe she may end up taking a path to healing and redemption.

    Edited on 08/23/2008 6:52pm
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    she could be of good use in the "new world order" that Zuko and Aang have established. The Fire Princess Azula. and she'd be a good one. if she was good, she'd be a threatning force in the evil that resides in the avatar world.
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    I don't think that Azula will ever become an outright hero. Rather, my best guess as to what would happen if she managed to heal her insanity and somehow find redemption is that she would eventually become an Iroh-like character. It would be interesting if she joined the White Lotus - she strikes me as the type of person who would pwn at strategy based board games.
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    Axrendale wrote:
    I really don't think that anybody is going to pity Ozai. Once people see through all the propeganda, he;s going to become pretty much the most reviled man in the world.

    Ozai is a broken man. All his drive, all his will, went out with his firebending. If he somehow breaks out, it is unlikely that he will be able to do any major damage. So that deals with most of the "cons". The fact is that sparing Ozai was one of the cruicial points for Aang. It shows exactly why Aang is the person who can dispense this kind of justice.

    You can't predict how people will act. In all likelihood, some people will still be loyal to Ozai and still want to conquer the world. Others will be done with the war and not care about Ozai.

    Ozai looked quite sane when Zuko visited him. Don't count a royal family member out just because of imprisonment- Iroh proved as much. He may not be a combat threat, but he still can organize and lead resistance. That doesn't mean he will, but he can. Of course, this would not be a possibility at all if Ozai had been killed.

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    Most people won't feel loyal to him, and besides, there's always Zuko, who is in a way Ozaii's descendant. And Ozaii was a feared ruler. He didn't rule by example, he ruled by fear. With Aang taken his bending away, some people were happy, others mad. Take 317, you never know if the ones who were cheering for Ozaii's reign over Aang were just doing that because Ozaii used propoganda: You're being watched. So who knows?
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