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A brief history of adaptions, and why they're always wrong

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    Axrendale

    [1]Jul 7, 2008
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    I've decided that I've absolutely had it with people who continue to post about how bad they thought the Sozin's Comet book was. It's gotten to the point that I've decided to provide a few examples of just how untrustworthy adaptions can be, both for Avatar and a few other well known stories.

    Avatar: The Burning Earth

    This was a video game that was released several months ago. It was basically book 2 turned into a game. The graphics were terrible, the dialogue horrific, and most notably, the ending was changed - the final battle scene took place in a different place and ended in victory for Aang and Katara.

    The Lord of the Rings

    30 years or so ago, back when the Lord of the Rings was just a modestly successful fantasy series with a small but fanatically loyal fanbase (sound familiar?), a summary was published of the series. Entitled "The Battle of the Ring" it was basically just a 50 - 60 page summary of the story that managed to go ridiculously into detail with some parts of the story and was hopelessly vague on others. Characters like Golum and Sam were omitted entirely, things like battles and how frodo gets into Mordor were only given a couple of sentences at most by way of explanation, and the ending differed. Instead of destroying Sauron, throwing the ring into Mt Doom simply stripped him of his powers. The book then devoted a page to describing how Sauron was to be eternally locked away in some kind of spiritual prison. Fans of the series universally hailed the book as lame, not to mention stupid, since the books had already been around for several years. Who was the writer of this lame summary? J.R.R Tolkien himself, the author of Lord of the Rings the mystery of why Tolkien wrote a summary of his own work as bad as that went unexplained.

    Years later, LOTR was graced with another adaption, this one epic. Still, as great as the LOTR movies were, it is worth noting that while most of the key events and endings were the same, many key plotlines were changed, charcters omitted, generally the things you need to do when you are converting 1600 pages of novel into 7 and a half hours of movie. Nevertheless, it had the effect of ensuring that people who had read the books (as I did) found it to be a very different story when retold.

    Star Wars

    Several months before Star Wars, episode III, Revenge of the Sith was due to be released in theaters, a novel by the same title was published. Revenge of the Sith, the novel, contained the same overall storyline and key events as the movie, but that was the only thing about the two that was similar. Dialouge, battles, several key events, and a number of other things were all completely re-written. Several events that never happened in the movie were created and inserted. In many ways the book was even better than the movie, but the point is that once again people who had read the book prior to watching the movie found a what can only be described as a different story entirely.

    Harry Potter

    As anyone who has both read the books and watched the movies knows, the first few movies were more or less exactly the same as the originals, as the series continued and the books got longer, more and more adaption was required.

    Other Avatar

    Sozins Comet is not alone in appearing in book form; there was a five page summary of the second half of the season 2 finale in an avatar book I picked up in a bookstore once. Barely explaining the main events, it was a sad attempt at storytelling that was so lame I almost cried.

    The dictionary definition for "adaption" is this: "somthing that has been adjusted in order to suit an alternative purpose".

    I have not read the Sozin's Comet book, but I did have a look at the opening pages, and somthing stood out to me:

    It did not say "written" by David Bergantino, it said "adapted" by David Bergantino.

    I am not saying that any of the major events in the book will be different to the actual show, I'm really just hoping this will shut up trolls like Truepanda.

    Edited on 07/07/2008 9:51pm
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    gilvatar

    [2]Jul 7, 2008
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    Storytelling isn't for everyone. Someone should tell those guys who write the avatar books.
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    MaddoKos

    [3]Jul 7, 2008
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    Axrendale...I dub thee "Anti-Gelem" (And I mean that as a massive compliment).

    That's strange about Tolkien. I've never read that.
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    mark426

    [4]Jul 7, 2008
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    You win everything there is to possibly win. I agree with absolutely everything.
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    xRamensx

    [5]Jul 7, 2008
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    I think the overall plot points are the same. But otherwise, it was very vague from what I read. But I'm not going to deny it completely because I don't want to be one of those people who will cry when the book turns out to be true. Whatever happens, happens.

    And OMG! I think I love you! Well thought-out threads..? This is madness! :B

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    mark426

    [6]Jul 7, 2008
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    xRamensx wrote:

    I think the overall plot points are the same. But otherwise, it was very vague from what I read. But I'm not going to deny it completely because I don't want to be one of those people who will cry when the book turns out to be true. Whatever happens, happens.

    And OMG! I think I love you! Well thought-out threads..? This is madness! :B

    Complete insanity. What site am I on and what happened to tv.com?
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    MaddoKos

    [7]Jul 7, 2008
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    xRamensx wrote:

    I think the overall plot points are the same. But otherwise, it was very vague from what I read. But I'm not going to deny it completely because I don't want to be one of those people who will cry when the book turns out to be true. Whatever happens, happens.

    And OMG! I think I love you! Well thought-out threads..? This is madness! :B



    Madness?

    ...

    THIS! IS! AXRENDALE!!!

    (sorry, couldn't resist )
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    xRamensx

    [8]Jul 7, 2008
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    MaddoKos wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    I think the overall plot points are the same. But otherwise, it was very vague from what I read. But I'm not going to deny it completely because I don't want to be one of those people who will cry when the book turns out to be true. Whatever happens, happens.

    And OMG! I think I love you! Well thought-out threads..? This is madness! :B

    Madness? ... THIS! IS! AXRENDALE!!! (sorry, couldn't resist )

    Lol, it's ok. It's impossible to resist memes.

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    mark426

    [9]Jul 7, 2008
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    xRamensx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    I think the overall plot points are the same. But otherwise, it was very vague from what I read. But I'm not going to deny it completely because I don't want to be one of those people who will cry when the book turns out to be true. Whatever happens, happens.

    And OMG! I think I love you! Well thought-out threads..? This is madness! :B

    Madness? ... THIS! IS! AXRENDALE!!! (sorry, couldn't resist )

    Lol, it's ok. It's impossible to resist memes.

    So true.
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    vampking06

    [10]Jul 7, 2008
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    So, does this bode well for the upcomming movies?
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    mark426

    [11]Jul 7, 2008
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    vampking06 wrote:
    So, does this bode well for the upcomming movies?
    I dunno, guess we'll have to wait and see.
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    suss2it

    [12]Jul 8, 2008
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    vampking06 wrote:
    So, does this bode well for the upcomming movies?
    Basically don't expect the upcoming movies to be exactly like the show, cause it's gonna differentiate, but that won't mean it's bad it'll just mean that it'll be different from the TV show.
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    Axrendale

    [13]Jul 8, 2008
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    MaddoKos wrote:
    Axrendale...I dub thee "Anti-Gelem" (And I mean that as a massive compliment). That's strange about Tolkien. I've never read that.

    Thanks, it's always great to know that what you do is appreciated. But I do have a question; who, or what, was Gelem? I keep reading references to (him?) that seem to indicate he posted spoilers some time ago.

    Edited on 07/08/2008 9:08am
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    rockon45

    [14]Jul 8, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:

    MaddoKos wrote:
    Axrendale...I dub thee "Anti-Gelem" (And I mean that as a massive compliment). That's strange about Tolkien. I've never read that.

    Thanks, it's always great to know that what you do is appreciated. But I do have a question; who, or what, was Gelem? I keep reading references to (him?) that seem to indicate he posted spoilers some time ago.

    Gelem was a......a waste of space, and an a$$.
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    MaddoKos

    [15]Jul 8, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:

    MaddoKos wrote:
    Axrendale...I dub thee "Anti-Gelem" (And I mean that as a massive compliment). That's strange about Tolkien. I've never read that.

    Thanks, it's always great to know that what you do is appreciated. But I do have a question; who, or what, was Gelem? I keep reading references to (him?) that seem to indicate he posted spoilers some time ago.



    A few weeks ago this user named "Gelem" came in here and started randomly (and repeatedly) posting spoilers from the Sozin's Comet comic book in quite a few threads. He was banned fairly quickly, but since then he's resurrected about a half-dozen times.

    A few times he even impersonated forum veterens, taking names very close to theirs in the hope of luring others into reading his threads and posts.

    His MO (posting spoilers) is always the same, and it's getting fairly annoying.
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    Blind_Legend

    [16]Jul 8, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:

    It did not say "written" by David Bergantino, it said "adapted" by David Bergantino.



    interesting...
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    tomtitan

    [17]Jul 8, 2008
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    Axen, is there a single post you have ever made that is shorter than 3 sentences?

    Lawl, I'm kidding, it's great that you put so much effort into everything you say.

    Interesting notes though.
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    fatsomama

    [18]Jul 8, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
    Awesome post of awesomeness
    Excellent post, ty for this. And now I will write my adaptation of your original post..."Shut the hell up about how crappy the book was and how crappy the finale will be, they will probably be very different from each other."
    Edited on 07/08/2008 10:24am
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    mark426

    [19]Jul 8, 2008
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    MaddoKos wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    MaddoKos wrote:
    Axrendale...I dub thee "Anti-Gelem" (And I mean that as a massive compliment). That's strange about Tolkien. I've never read that.

    Thanks, it's always great to know that what you do is appreciated. But I do have a question; who, or what, was Gelem? I keep reading references to (him?) that seem to indicate he posted spoilers some time ago.



    A few weeks ago this user named "Gelem" came in here and started randomly (and repeatedly) posting spoilers from the Sozin's Comet comic book in quite a few threads. He was banned fairly quickly, but since then he's resurrected about a half-dozen times.

    A few times he even impersonated forum veterens, taking names very close to theirs in the hope of luring others into reading his threads and posts.

    His MO (posting spoilers) is always the same, and it's getting fairly annoying.
    One of it's more recent names was Lisa(#s)7, which it got from Lisa(#s)8.
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    MaddoKos

    [20]Jul 8, 2008
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    mark426 wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    MaddoKos wrote:
    Axrendale...I dub thee "Anti-Gelem" (And I mean that as a massive compliment). That's strange about Tolkien. I've never read that.

    Thanks, it's always great to know that what you do is appreciated. But I do have a question; who, or what, was Gelem? I keep reading references to (him?) that seem to indicate he posted spoilers some time ago.



    A few weeks ago this user named "Gelem" came in here and started randomly (and repeatedly) posting spoilers from the Sozin's Comet comic book in quite a few threads. He was banned fairly quickly, but since then he's resurrected about a half-dozen times.

    A few times he even impersonated forum veterens, taking names very close to theirs in the hope of luring others into reading his threads and posts.

    His MO (posting spoilers) is always the same, and it's getting fairly annoying.
    One of it's more recent names was Lisa(#s)7, which it got from Lisa(#s)8.


    Exactly.
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